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"World's Last Chance"


This came up on Another Forum; Thought It might Interest you all Here.

It appears that [Yet Another !] Breakaway Group from the
"SDA Church" has set up a Group called "New World Order"/"Worlds Last Chance" They are Spending "A Lot" of cash to flood the Internet with "Google" Links, Also offering a $65,000 Prize to the the person who can Prove
The Ancient Saturday Sabbath Switch to Sundays (Yawn!).
Some of you may remember my Posts on the Old Forum,
Ref all the Problems I had with the SDA Cult, As A Child:
Have a look at this Link; What do you Make of It ?

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The challenge:

"Give at least one bible verse which proves that Christ or anyone of His disciples sanctioned the transfer of the holy Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday."

My answer:

Acts 20:6-7 (KJV)

6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.


The disciples were meeting together for teaching and fellowship, on the first day of the week.


Romans 14:5-13 (KJV)

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.


Psalm 118:24 (KJV)

24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.


The Lord made every day; so every day belongs to Him. I believe this goes along with the passage from Romans 14.


Hebrews 3:1--5:10.

Hebrews 3 (KJV):
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Hebrews 4 (KJV):
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Hebrews 5:1-10 (KJV):
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I won't quote this, due to its length. The highlights are that what Jesus did was greater than what Moses did; and that the Old Testament Sabbath was a picture/foreshadowing of the Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ. It also shows that the sacrifice made by Jesus on behalf of all who would trust in Him for salvation makes Old Testament customs no longer necessary to salvation.


Matthew 5:17 (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus came to fulfill the law. As God, He could work on the Sabbath day (which He often did, upsetting the religious leaders 2,000 years ago); and He could "sanction the transfer of the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday."

Though Jesus did not command the transfer of the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday, His disciples sanctioned it to commmemorate the resurrection of Jesus "on the first day of the week" (Matthew 28; Mark 16; Luke 24; John 20). In the observance of the Sabbath (by worshipping God) on the first day of the week, believers who practice this have signified outwardly the belief that Jesus rose triumphantly on the first day of the week. That is not to say that those who worship on the seventh day of the week (observing the seventh-day Sabbath) are wrong or don't believe in the resurrection or aren't as close to God as those who worship Him on the first day of the week. Worship on the seventh day of the week is perfectly alright; but condemning those who worship on the first day of the week (or any other day of the week [Romans 14]) is wrong.

Also, by transferring the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, Paul and other apostles were able to go to the synagogue on Saturday to reason with the Jews who had not yet trusted in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and then meet on Sunday (for worship, fellowship, and teaching) with their brothers and sisters in Christ (all of whom--at the inception of the church--were converts from Judaism).


1 Corinthians 16:1-3 (KJV)

1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

Taking up a collection for the saints sounds like collecting tithes and offerings, a practice common in churches. And Paul commanded that the collection be made on the first day of the week, implying the transfer of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

I have heard at least one person argue dogmatically that any one who sets aside any day but Sunday as the Sabbath is not a true believer. I just want to let you know that I would say to such people the same thing I've said regarding the transfer of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Though I believe I have presented proof of the sanctioning of the transfer of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, those who would condemn or look down on others for observing the Sabbath on a day other than Sunday are also wrong. After all, what Paul said in Romans 14 applies to all believers. None of us has a right to condemn anyone else (Romans 8).

Blessings to you,
In the name of Jesus Christ ourr Lord and Savior,
FJRB

P.S. In the Spirit of Christ, may we have unity in the Spirit of the law (Romans 7:6).

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

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No one is wrong to insist on worshipping G-d on Saturday and setting Saturday apart as the Sabbath. However, it is wrong to condemn others for observing a day other than Saturday as the Sabbath.

I used to only observe a Sunday Sabbath. Now I observe the Sabbath on both Saturday and Sunday. I do so on Sunday to respect my parents who both hold to a Sunday Sabbath. But I find the Saturday Sabbath more fulfilling, personally. I recently began attending a Messianic Jewish Temple as often as possible, after feeling like the Lord wanted me to do so; and my faith in, and understanding of, Him has grown. So has my worship of Him. So I really enjoy observing the Sabbath with my Messianic Jewish brethren. And, as they don't condemn those who observe a Sunday Sabbath, neither do I. The important thing is salvation by grace, through faith, in Jesus Christ, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

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I've done quite a bit of research on Ellen G. White and Seventh Day Adventists. I don't mean I just watched a bunch of YouTube videos either. I know this woman to be a false prophetess and a bigot. Any small amount of research will also reveal the countless amounts of documents she plagiarized. When you start quoting people who have lied about prophecies they claim "god" spoke to them, that is where I draw the line. It's a good thing you learned Yahuah's name and Yahushua, but you are still clinging to that vile woman. Do some research outside of your own church and see for yourself. As long ad you cling to her, you will only be that lukewarm church. She is a liar, and a false prophet just like the charlatan Joseph Smith the con man aka treasure hunter; another false prophet. I'm not so sure people even know what a prophet is anymore because everyone is claiming to be one. I believe in Yahuah, and Yahushua, I don't follow leaders like Ellen White. You should've dropped her the minute you saw her error. Get right before it's too late!

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